ASUS Republic of Gamers G51J-3D 15.6-Inch 3-D Gaming Laptop (Black) Review
Had this laptop for nearly a month, and my experience with it ranges from 2 to 5 stars, depending on what I'm doing. I was considering giving this 3 stars overall, but considering the price, I think it deserves a 4 star, though it really depends what you intend to do with this laptop. Note that this is a long review. I tried to summarize everything in the first sentence of each bullet so people can skim through it quickly if they aren't interested in the details.
Pros:
- Good value! An Alienware laptop with nearly identical specs cost about 50 the last time I checked, and that's without 3D Vision (which retails for about 0), a second hard drive and only 1 yr warranty. Also, Amazon dropped the price, twice, since I bought this (probably trying to clear stock as G51JX-3D is coming out - almost identical computer except they replaced GTX 260M with GTS 360M, which is slightly weaker but runs cooler, and replaced the 2nd HDD slot with 2 RAM slots)
- Screen looks great! Not sure if it's the 120Hz or the LED backlight, but this screen blows my old laptop away (Compal FL90). A lot of my games look noticeably better on this screen (not because of extra fps, I'm talking about old games where my old laptop runs great as well)
- 3D was surprisingly good! 3D actually was not the primary reason I bought this laptop, so I wasn't expecting much from it. But I totally don't regret getting the 3D (I wanted a G51J-A1, but you can't buy them brand new anymore - I wanted the 2nd Hard drive, which is not available on the G51JX-A1 - the replacement for the G51J) For those that see a lot of flicker in 3D, try turning up your screen brightness - when my screen is near 100% brightness, the flicker completely goes away for me and my wife. I've put additional comments on games I got to work in 3D at the bottom of this review.
- 2 hard drive bays in a 15". I couldn't find a single other 15" laptop out there with 2 hard drives. Useful if you want to have a solid state hard drive (SSD) but don't want to shell out 0+ for a 160GB SSD (I got the 0-ish Intel 80GB SSD for running the OS and some of the newer games and stuck all my old games and documents on the 2nd HDD).
- Full-sized back-lit keyboard. The back-lit keyboard is actually pretty cool and is actually useful when playing 3D - the shutter glasses make everything look darker like sunglasses do when active. The backlight makes it a lot easier to find the keys.
- Runs graphics-intensive games fluidly. I ran Oblivion, everything on max on max resolution (which is only 1366x768 on this laptop though) with 3D on, went outdoor and the scenery looked awesome! Didn't measure the framerate, but didn't notice any stuttering at all, even during combat (CPU-intensive games are a different matter though, read the Non-G51J-3D Specific Cons section).
- Driver disc lets you select what bloatware to install. If you reinstall Windows 7 using the recovery disc, the first time you boot up, the drivers disc lets you select what bloatware to install, instead of forcing you to install everything then uninstall stuff you don't want (drivers disc is bugged though, see Cons section). There're actually a number of useful programs, but still a lot of bloat imo.
- Lots of ports. Has modem, LAN, VGA, HDMI, card reader, e-SATA and 4 USB (might have missed some, check the official specs). There're 2 USBs on each side of the laptop, so you don't have to worry about a big USB device blocking off all your ports. However, you'll probably end up using all four at once most of the time: 1 for mouse, 1 for 3D IR emitter, 1 for laptop cooler (strongly recommend one), leaving only 1 USB left for your flash drive.
Cons:
- GPU comes underclocked. Probably due to heat and power consumption issues. You can easily clock the GPU back up to NVIDIA's stock clock using the latest Forceware, but then you'll need to watch the temperature much more carefully.
- CPU throttling. The CPU supposedly throttles (or clocks down) if the laptop draws too much power. I haven't yet observed this in any of my games, so I can't comment much. Google "asus g51j throttling" for more info. Note that various other gaming laptops have similar issues, including the Alienware m15x.
- Heat. This is an issue with all gaming laptops, but is particularly an issue with this model. Running Furmark at 1366x768 in a room at 20C resulted in the GPU running up to 94C for me (no cooling, though adding my targus cooling fan only trimmed 2C from that). I think the GPU can take that kinda temperature, and real-world gaming is usually less intense than Furmark, but when summer comes and my room is near 30C, this will become an issue. Also, the CPU shares the same heatsink as the GPU, though I never managed to push the CPU above the mid 70C, even when running Prime95 or Cinebench.
- Warranty void if sticker removed. There's a sticker over the heatsink saying that warranty is void if removed, so basically, I can't replace the thermal compound on the CPU and GPU to help with the heat issue without voiding my warranty >.>
- BIOS is extremely basic. I'm using the unofficial BIOS version that supposedly fixed the BSOD issue (google "G51J BSOD fix"). The only useful thing you can do in the BIOS is changing the boot order. No turning off hyperthreading, setting clock speeds or anything you'd expect a regular BIOS to have (and I'm not aware of any secret key combos that unlocks more advanced functions). Not an issue if you never mess with the BIOS, but rather disappointing for people that want to squeeze more performance out of their machines.
- Low battery life. To be expected for a gaming laptop, though the battery life on this computer is particularly bad. I get slightly over 1 hour when doing actual work (minimum brightness, balanced power scheme, surfing the web, transferring files to and from a flash drive etc.) Others have reported squeezing out 1.5 hours on more aggressive power saving options. You can replace the 6-cell with a 9-cell battery from ASUS, though it's 9 the last time I checked, and it's out of stock. I'm planning to buy a universal external battery pack before I travel with this.
- VGA out sucks, though luckily HDMI works. I've read a number of reviews online before I bought this, and I'm surprised no one brought this up, so maybe I just got a lemon. The VGA connector on my G51J-3D is very loose and flickers majorly when I connect it to my TV. The exact same cable and TV gave me flawless display on my old laptop, so I know the issue is the connector. HDMI works fine and looks great, so it's not the GFX card either (the computer won't detect my TV on HDMI without a reboot though, can't figure out whether it's Windows 7, my TV or the laptop causing problems). If you're thinking of connecting this to your old CRT monitor for 3D, it may not work out.
- Recovery discs are bugged. I tried reinstalling Windows on my new SSD which I swapped into the laptop, and when it asked for the drivers disc, it gave me a file not found error and I was forced to do a hard reboot as it won't move on. The reboot led to a BSOD. Using the recovery discs I created using ASUS's software didn't work either. Interestingly, the second time I tried the recovery discs (not the ones I made) turned out fine, so maybe it was just bad luck (still gave me the file not found error, but hard reboot did not lead to BSOD the second time. Windows 7 now running without problems on my SSD).
- Drivers disc doesn't respond once some drivers are installed. Not sure why, but when some drivers are installed, the drivers disc autorun no longer works - trying to view the contents of the disc in Windows Explorer will also result in a moving green bar that never stops moving. The workaround I found was to put the driver disc into a non-ASUS computer, copy all the contents over to the hard drive of the G51J, running setup.exe from the hard drive solved the problem.
- Lid design and lighting. I'm in the camp that hates the lights, especially the fact that you can NOT turn off the lights on this model unless you open up the laptop and cut some wires (for the record, I also do not like the alien head of Alienware, or anything on the lid that screams "hey, look at me!"). The lights blink when the laptop is in sleep mode, so I usually shut down instead of sleep (boot time is slightly over 1 min with my SSD). The upside is that the real thing looks less ugly than the pictures imo - it's darker and doesn't look as flashy from a distance.
- Size is more like a 16" rather than 15". However, the hardware packed into this thing usually results in a 17", so maybe you can say the size is more like a 16" rather than a 17".
- Looks like it'll be replaced by the G51JX-3D. The JX is supposed to come out around now. The G51J-A1 has been replaced by the G51JX-A1 already. As described earlier, the JX trades 2nd HDD for more RAM and trades the underclocked GTX 260M with a higherclocked GTS 360M (benchmarks show that they're actually comparable surprisingly, though GTX 260M at stock clock will still outperform the 360M, assuming you don't fry your computer). If you think you need 6GB RAM or more or don't care about the 2nd HDD, you may want to wait (the JX is not on Amazon yet, but you can pre-order it at various resellers). If you want the 2nd HDD, might want to buy the J soon before retailers start stocking up on the JX variant.
Non-G51J-3D Specific Cons:
- This section contains cons that are specific to all computers using these components, not just the G51J-3D
- Windows 7 incompatiblity. Certainly not as bad as when I first started using Vista, but I have a good number of older games that just won't work on Windows 7. The most annoying thing for me so far is that games such as Starcraft will have inverted colors when run on Windows 7 (killing explorer.exe before starting the game is supposed to fix the problem, but not exactly an ideal solution). I get round this by installing Starcraft under Win XP in Virtualbox (though you'll need a copy of XP to do this - I bought one 'cos I hated Vista so much).
- i7 720qm seem to suck for single-threaded apps. It seems that almost every gaming laptop has this processor these days. The processor performs great in benchmarks, but in the real world where most of the applications are still single-threaded (especially for games), the 720qm's performance is quite mediocre and the quad core hyperthreaded (giving 8 logical cores) is probably way overkill for most people. My old laptop running Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz, 800MHz FSB running on DDR2 667 MHz RAM actually runs X3TC better than the i7 720qm (it stutters less on the i7 but the Core 2 can handle the highest graphics setting (AA and AF off) in a busy sector while the i7 will slow to a crawl; note that X3TC is notorious for being CPU-bound rather than GPU-bound, so it may not matter to you if you don't play that game). Turning 3D on and off and changing AA and AF from off to max made 0 fps difference in a busy sector (measured using Fraps), and GPU-Z never shows the GPU above 70%-ish load in the game, so I'm pretty sure it's not the GPU causing problems. Similar observations for a busy park in Roller Coaster Tycoon 3. The only instances where I observed i7 being a lot better than my core 2 is at bootup and when running AVG virus scan (the scan is A LOT faster, and it's not just the SSD as I had a lot of stuff on the regular hard drive). i7 can also handle crazy multi-tasking such as running AVG virus scan, spyware doctor scan, windows defender scan all at the same time while surfing the web with my various sidebar apps active, but unless you use your computer regularly like that, you won't see the benefits. It looks like the i7 620m, which is 2 core instead of 4 but higher-clocked with lower power consumption may have suited my needs better, but when I bought this computer, there weren't any laptops with the 620m equipped with a respectable GPU, probably 'cos the 620m launched only a while ago.
- NVIDIA 3D Vision uses active shutter glasses, not the polarization technology used in 3D cinemas. In another words, if you want to have friends over to watch you game in 3D, they need to buy their own 0 glasses, not the ones you get for free in 3D cinemas. If you want the polarization technology, consider the Acer Aspire model. I don't think that is capable of turning regular PC games into 3D though.
Games I got to work in 3D:
- The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - looks great!
- X3: Terran Conflict - looks good, the boxes around objects appear very close though, making it hard to focus on the object.
- Neverwinter Nights 2 - haven't tested it out much, but it works. Note that Neverwinter Nights Platinum (the original) doesn't seem to work unfortunately.
- Sid Meier's Pirates - turn off trilinear lighting or something like that and adjust the convergence a bit. It can make the game look really good!
- Mini Ninjas - looks great!
- Roller Coaster Tycoon 3 - looks great especially when riding the coasters!
- Command and Conquer: Renegade - need to adjust depth and convergence a bit, but can look really good!
- Command and Conquer: Generals - works in 3D, but game stopped working when I patched it, so haven't tested it much. Note that C&C original, Tiberium Sun, RA, RA2 do not work in 3D. No 3D Starcraft either.
- Galactic Civilization II: Ultimate Edition - custom ships look really cool!
Overall, this is a great laptop for playing GPU-intensive games and the 3D definitely adds replayability to older titles and is entertaining. I would give it a 5 stars for 3D gaming especially given the price of this thing! It's also great for multi-threaded apps, but if you run a lot of single-threaded cpu-intensive apps and games, the performance will likely be disappointing. Together with the underclocked GPU/heat issues, limited BIOS, poor VGA port and buggy drivers disc pushed me into the 3/4 star territory. Lid design and short battery life may also turn some people off, but for a gaming laptop, these are common issues.
ASUS Republic of Gamers G51J-3D 15.6-Inch 3-D Gaming Laptop (Black) Feature
- 1.6GHz Intel i7-720QM Core i7 Quad Core Processor
- 4GB of DDR3 RAM, 2 slots, 4GB Max
- 640GB SATA Hard Drive (7200 RPM); DVD SuperMulti Drive
- 15.6-Inch Widescreen HD LCD Display; NVidia GTX 260M Graphics with 1GB DDR3 VRAM; 3D Gaming Glasses and Transmitter Included;
- Windows 7 Home Premium (64 bit); Gaming Backpack and Gaming Mouse Included
ASUS Republic of Gamers G51J-3D 15.6-Inch 3-D Gaming Laptop (Black) Overview
Ignite true to life battles with the new ASUS Republic of Gamers G51J-3D, the first ever ASUS 3D gaming notebook. A pair of Nvidia 3D Vision active-shutter glasses coupled with a wide-range infra-red emitter delivers stereoscopic images with clarity, brightness and depth-of-field (DOP) at full resolution without viewing angle restrictions. The GPU driver and a 120Hz 3D panel renders each scene twice, delivering up to 60 images evenly to each eye, amounting to a total of up to 120 images. Gamers can experience total immersion into their games from what were previously flat 2D worlds, to true-to-life 3D. Powered by a dedicated NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260M graphics card and NVIDIA’s PhysX Technology, the ASUS G51J-3D offers users a more realistic and dynamic gaming experience. The NVIDIA GeForce GTX260M also features 1GB DDR3 VRAM, which performs significantly better than the standard DDR2 video memory. With a 3DMark score of 10,000+ the performance of the ASUS G51J-3D is a leap from other 15 or 16-inch mainstream notebooks that produce scores ranging from 2000 to 3000. Equipped with an illuminating chiclet keyboard, the G51J-3D enables gamers to control the brightness of the keyboard to cater to their needs. This provides gamers with an added advantage over their opponents, and allows them to continue to dominate even in the dark, like that of LAN party environments. ASUS notebooks come with ASUS’ 360 service program that includes a 2 year global warranty, one month zero bright dot guaranty, free two-way shipping and twenty-four hour tech support seven days a week. Plus it comes with a FREE One Year Accidental Damage Warranty protecting the notebook from drops, fire, spills and surges. The package contains 2 year warranty card, notebook, NVidia 3D glasses and transmitter, gaming backpack, and gaming mouse.
ASUS Republic of Gamers G51J-3D 15.6-Inch 3-D Gaming Laptop (Black) Specifications
Take Your Gaming to the 3rd Dimension
See your games come alive with the world’s first NVIDIA 3D Vision notebook, the Republic of Gamers (ROG) G51J-3D. Featuring an Intel Core i7 processor, ASUS Discrete Graphics Engine (DGE) powered by NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260M, and illuminated gaming keyboard, the G51J-3D unleashes an array of features to undertake today’s most demanding games with ease.
Now, for the first time ever, you can experience true-to-life reality stereoscopic 3D gaming, movie and photographic experience with NVIDIA 3D Vision on-the-go. This specially designed mobile 3D Vision gaming package includes a pair of 3D glasses, transmitter and the specially designed 120Hz LCD screen.
G51J is specially designed for a better Windows 7 experience for less waiting and more playing with exclusive time-saving utilities such as ASUS FastBoot that lets you boot into the desktop in under 30 seconds. Plus, the G51J-3D comes with a free trial of World of Warcraft for a right-out-of-the-box 3D experience.* Take advantage of premium multimedia with EAX Advanced HD audio and master your favorite games in 3D on a vibrant 15.6-inch 120Hz HD widescreen. The G51J-3D with NVIDIA 3D Vision includes all the special gear you need to truly bring your games to life.
The most comprehensive notebook warranty package is icing on the cake.
Most other brands only offer 1 year of warranty service, and can charge up to 0 for an additional year. ASUS G51J comes standard with a 2-Year Global Warranty and more*:
Plus ASUS Accidental Damage Protection: The ASUS G51J is also protected with a One Year Accidental Damage Warranty protecting the notebook from drops, fire, spills, and surge.**
Key Features
- World's first notebook to enable HD games, movies and view photos in stereoscopic 3D withNVIDIA 3D Vision
- NVIDIA 3D Vision Kit ( 3D Glasses + RF Transmitter) included
- Intel Core i7 processor 720QM (Quad-Core) with Turbo Boost Technology1
- Uniquely engineered 15.6-inch HD LED-backlit 120Hz widescreen enables 3D Vision on-the-go
- Blistering fast ASUS DGE powered by NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260M 1GB GDDR3 memory
- 4GB of DDR3 RAM for smooth computing with Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit)
- 640GB (2x 320GB) 7,200RPM hard drives for fast, convenient storage, and access to all your documents and entertainment
- Built-in 802.11 b/g/n & Bluetooth wireless connectivity for total wireless gaming freedom
- Illuminated gaming keyboard with numeric keypad gives you complete control in any lighting environment
- Surreal gaming surround sound with Altec Lansing speakers driven by EAX Advanced HD 4.0
- Integrated 2.0 megapixel webcam for connecting with family, friends, and foes
- Free World of Warcraft Trial for a right-out-of-the-box 3D gaming experience
- 2 year ASUS 360 global warranty and 1 year Accidental Damage Warranty
- Complementary Republic of Gamers backpack and gaming mouse
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3D Vision Enabled
Tired of looking at a flat and dull screen? Upgrade to the ROG G51J-3D for full stereoscopic 3D gaming with NVIDIA 3D Vision. A combination of blistering fast 120Hz HD LCD screen, high-tech wireless glasses, and advanced software, the ROG G51J-3D has the ultimate NVIDIA 3D Vision kit to transform hundreds of PC games, 3D movies, and digital photographs into an eye popping, interactive experience. With the bundled 3D Vision software suite from NVIDIA, you can turn any of your oridinary photos and movies into stereoscopic 3D, viewable with the special shutter-glass wireless glasses. |
Uncompromised Performance for Ultimate Showdown
The ROG G51J’s ASUS DGE, powered by the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260M GPU with 1GB of GDDR3 VRAM, offers up to 50-percent more performance than the previous generation, and is enhanced with NVIDIA PhysX technology enabling a totally new class of physical gaming interaction for a more dynamic gaming experience. Making possible lifelike explosions, natural water effects, and realistic 3D environments with the GeForce GTX 260M GPU. Unlock the power of its processor core with NVIDIA CUDA and accelerate even the most demanding system tasks –such as video transcoding- to deliver incredible performance improvements over traditional CPUs. The G51J also features a fast 640GB 7,200RPM SATA hard drive with Dual HDD support to store your movies, games, and pictures while on-the-move. With a 7,200RPM hard drive you get quicker access speeds, and faster transfer rates, than standard 5,400RPM hard drives so you wait less and do more. Plus, dual HDD support (2 x 320GB) allows you easily back-up your data. |
Enjoy Vibrant Media
With the portable ROG G51J notebook, you can bring the latest HD media to life wherever you go. Featuring a 15.6-inch HD widescreen and NVIDIA PureVideo HD technology; enjoy an immersive experience with sharp images, smooth video transitions, and brilliant clarity. The G51J is complemented with Altec Lansing speakers and EAX Advanced HD 4.0 so you can hear every detail and enhanced acoustics. With many scenarios to choose from, the EAX Advanced HD 4.0 engine will render the environment your gaming character is in and bring you the most surreal gaming experience. Also loaded with CMSS-3D technology, audio channels will appear to come from above and around for a full surround sound experience. And with HDMI connectivity, the G51J doubles as your personal all-in-one media center. |
Aggressive Styling
Strike fear in the hearts of your opponents with the clawed design of the ROG G51J. Its spacious illuminated gaming keyboard gives you the competitive advantage so when others are fumbling for keys in the dark, and keeps you a step ahead of the game. The G51J goes beyond the conventional and features a complimentary Republic of Gamers backpack and Razor optical mouse for the complete gaming package. With the ROG 51J-3D gaming package, you now have the performance and visual advantage over your opponents. |
Built with one of the World’s Best Notebook Processors
Stay ahead of the curve with some of today’s most powerful components. One of the first ROG notebooks to incorporate the Intel Core i7 720QM quad-core processor, the G51J demolishes other notebooks. Enjoy extreme gaming and multimedia with Intel’s leading-edge processor. With massive memory bandwidth that delivers the ultimate in HD computing, hardcore multi-taskers will rejoice with Intel Turbo Boost Technology –accelerating performance from 1.6GHz to 2.8GHz. The G51J gives you all the power you need to create digital video, 3D animation, or effortlessly play adrenaline-filled games. |
ASUS Makes Your Windows 7 Experience Better
Recently rated #1 in consumer reliability among Windows-based PCs by SquareTrade, and PCMag.com, ASUS gives you the peace of mind you deserve every time you start your N61Jv-X2 notebook.† ASUS notebooks worked with Microsoft to develop time-saving features like FastBoot technology –reducing the time needed for startup and shutdown –and LocalMe –a GPS-like application. And, thanks to Windows 7’s enhanced power management, you can enjoy unplugged gaming longer. With ASUS exclusive FastBoot technology, Windows 7 64-bit-enabled ASUS notebooks start up in a staggering 30 seconds. That is 40% faster than 32-bit operating systems. System performance is subject to system configuration. This data is based on a comparison between a FastBoot-optimized ASUS notebook running 64-bit Windows 7 and an identically-configured notebook without FastBoot running 32-bit Windows Vista. For more details regarding the test results, please visit the information site. |
ASUS 360* -- 2 Year Global Warranty
ASUS complimentary notebook care package. ASUS 360 offers a level of coverage that would add hundreds of dollars to the price of competing laptops: Two year global warranty Thirty days flawless display guarantee Two way free standard shipping 24/7 tech support |
ASUS ADW** -- 1 Year Accidental Damage Warranty**
Accidents happen. But when they happen to your ASUS notebook purchased in the US or Canada, you have extra protection. Whether your notebook is damaged by accidental spills, drops, electrical surges, or fire, ASUS will fix it or replace it for you during the first year after purchase.** Warranty covering accidental drops, spills, power surges, and fire damage Target 3 business day turnaround time for repair / replacement; not including receiving and shipping time One-way shipping (from ASUS to the user) at no additional cost 24 hour toll-free phone support One incident covered per notebook |
Warranty
ASUS 360* (2 Years Global Warranty) + ASUS ADW** (1 Year Accidental Damage Warranty**) + Flawless Display Guarantee
ASUS G51J comes with ASUS 360 (2 years global warranty), ADW (1 Year Accidental Damage Warranty**) and Flawless Display Guarantee. If the purchaser discovers one defective bright dot within 30 days of purchase, ASUS will replace the panel without cost to the purchaser.What's in the Box
Specifications
† Rated number 1 Windows-based PC maker in PCMag.com’s Service & Reliability Report 2009. Rate number 1 PC brand according to SquareTrade, the leading direct-to-consumer warranty company (for more information visit http://www.squaretrade.com/pages/laptop-reliability-1109/ ).
*For notebooks purchased on or after Sept. 10, 2007. The ASUS 360 Notebook Service Program and Accidental Damage Warranty covers “ASUS” brand notebooks only, and does NOT extend to: “Built on ASUS,” “ASMobile,” “Powered by ASUS,” the Eee PC, or some other models. These retailers are currently among the companies that do NOT participate in the ASUS 360 Notebook Service Program and Accidental Damage Warranty: Best Buy, MicroCenter, and The Source by CircuitCity in Canada. Limit of one claim per notebook for Accidental Damage Warranty. ASUS reserves the right to discontinue this program and to modify the terms and conditions thereof at any time. ASUS Accidental Damage Warranty Program starts from the date of your ASUS notebook purchase, when all the requirements are met.
**One incident covered per notebook
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